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22 March 2024 1,830 views One Comment

Robert Plant Presents Saving Grace featuring Suzi Dian –  Never Ending Spring 2024…

My thoughts on Robert Plant Presents Saving Grace featuring Suzi Dian

London Palladium Sunday March 17 2024:
To the esteemed London Palladium for Robert Plant Presents Saving Grace Featuring Suzi Dian.
Sunday night at the London palladium was a long running variety show screened by ITV and was a big event in many a household including ours when I was young.
Reputations were made and broken – it was the making of a young comedian name of Jimmy Tarbuck, The Beatles took the show by storm in 1963. In 1967 The Rolling Stones caused outrage by not appearing with the other acts at the tadeonal revolving stage finale.
In recent years the venue has become a popular one for many a rock acts with the likes of Bob Dylan holding court – Jimmy Page being at one of his shows there..
I have been here once before for the appearance of the Australian Led Zeppelin Masters tribute show.
Now it’s the stage for Robert Plant and the wonderful Saving Grace.
Robert, looking suitably regal in a smart jacket totally commanded the stage with Suzi Dian from the off.
I’ve said it before but I really am running out of superlatives for this unit. Everything about this performance was perfection.
The vocal interplay between Robert and Suzi really is something to behold. Early examples included a mesmerizing delivery of Cuckoo and an intense Let The Four Winds Blow.
Behind them, the contrasting styles of Tony Kelsey and Matt Worley works a treat – the former throwing in some stinging guitar lines -the latter adding subtly on banjo. Oli Jefferson also adding the percussive punch as required.
The terse vocal approach to Low’s Everybody’s Song has the front pair jostling for attention – there’s also several moments where Robert throws in those ”Ah ah aha” vocal nuances that lit up the likes of Achilles and Nobody’s Fault But Mine back in the day.
Talking of back in the day, The Rain Song is an absolute stand out performance – Suzi’s plaintive accordion accompaniment aiding the mood with a song that just gets better with age.
As does Four Sticks – the arrangement here as they slow down for the ” When the owls cry in the night” refrain” being a moment of high drama.
On the home straight the Bert Jansch cover It Don’t Bother Me featured Robert on bass guitar.
The crowd pleasing strut of Angel Dance led the way to the finish line alongside a riveting encore of Gallows Pole and the communal I Bid You Goodnight. May Queen was also down on the set list as an encore but wasn’t played.
Summary:
Another steller Saving Grace performance – every song delivered with immense passion. One can only marvel at Robert’s gift of constantly surrounding himself with musicians who are totally at one with his musical intent.
Tunbridge Wells, Peterborough, Nottingham, Royal Albert Hall, Liverpool, Sheffield and Blackburn are next in line for the Robert Plant featuring Suzi Dian Saving Grace experience.
Believe me, It’s an experience to absolutely savour…
Dave Lewis – March 18 2024
On stage photos by the always brilliant Peter Chow
Set list pic via Mick Bulow.
Jonathan Taylor’s view:
Robert Plant and Saving Grace: London Palladium, 17/03/2024.
To those of us of an age, Sunday night at the London Palladium conjures images of a revolving stage and a Variety show, all watched in black-and-white on a Bakelite television.
On Sunday 17th March 2024, there was no revolving stage and the only variety was in the choice of songs for a fine set from Robert Plant and Saving Grace.
Fine as in absolutely superb. Third show of the tour, and having been at the opening night in Bristol it is readily apparent that Saving Grace have already begun evolving the set, refining their performances and, as they have done since they set out on this adventure, exploring possibilities.
Established opening couplet “Gospel Plow” and “The Cuckoo” open the doors to the Saving Grace palace of wonders; the former shedding the Eastern overtones added at Bristol and returning to its transatlantic Folk roots, the latter so joyously played that Plant and Dian are tempted briefly into their Folk dance moves.
The Palladium theatre really suits this band. Its elegant and stylish Frank Matcham interior is a thing of theatrical architectural delight that can’t help but draw parallels with the structural beauty of the songs in Saving Grace’s set, exemplified by “Let The Four Winds Blow”, “Everybody’s Song”, and “Four Sticks”, all of which sublimely transition between light and shade, gentleness and power, ice and fire.
Led Zeppelin’s “The Rain Song” has, for me, taken on a new phase of its life, and has rarely if ever sounded so extraordinarily beautiful as it does performed by Saving Grace, Suzi Dian’s accordion weaving threads of pure magic through its well-worn musical cloth.
Throughout tonight, Tony Kelsey’s guitar resonates, resounds and reverberates around the Palladium; Matt Worley’s banjo, cuatro and guitars texture and highlight the sound of Saving Grace; and Oli Jefferson (introduced by Dian as “our multi-tasking groove machine”) makes the term ‘drumming’ feel so inadequate to describe what he accomplishes as he skilfully and lovingly brings his kit into play.
Oh, and there’s Robert Plant and Suzi Dian. It is in truth hard to describe in mere words how extraordinary their vocal interplay and harmonies truly are. Dian is at once a foil for Plant and a perfect pure dovetail for his rich, life-experienced voice. Proof of this, if any were needed, comes with the Saving Grace take on the Carter Family’s “I Never Will Marry”, as it gently forsakes its American Folk origins and becomes a thing of ethereal tragic beauty, Plant and Dian’s voices evoking the sadness within the watery depths of the song. It’s breathtaking.
As is everything about the concert. Musicianship, stagecraft, performance, and of course the songs.
There’s no “The May Queen” tonight, nor the Bristol show’s foray into the roots of “In My Time Of Dying”, but this is the very essence of Robert Plant; things change, move on, Plant never settling for the formulaic.
It’s part of the Robert Plant and Saving Grace live experience.
And that experience is to be relished and cherished.
Jonathan Taylor
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Robert Plant London live locations…
Now it’s the stage for Robert Plant and the wonderful Saving Grace to be a part of the London palladium experience..
The March 17 performance at the London Palladium was a  new London venue for him. I worked out it was the  22nd London area location I’ve seen him perform in at the capital clocking in over 40 plus gigs going back to 1971.
Here’s the line up:
Wembley Empire Pool/Arena (1971,1985,1995,1998, 2008)
Alexander Palace (1972)
Earls Court (1975)
Dominion Theatre (1982)
Hammersmith Odeon/Apollo (1983, 1988, 2002)
Hammersmith Palais( 2005)
Marquee Club (1988)
Town and Country Club/Forum Kentish Town (1988, 2010,2012)
Astoria Theatre (1988, 2002)
Kings Head (1993)
Brixton Academy (1993)
Sheppard’s Bush Empire (1998)
ULU – University of London  (1999)
Royal Albert Hall (2002, 2013, 2017,)
O2 Arena (2007,2018)
Scala Theatre (2005)
Somerset House (2006)
Mayfair One (2010),
The Roundhouse(2010, 2014)
Royal Festival Hall (2013)
Hackney Empire (2018, 2023.)
London Palladium (2024)
I’ve also been lucky enough to seen him perform at the following London studios – London TV Studios (Unledded 1994), Riverside studios (TFI 1998,Recovered 2002)) Westway Studios (Storytellers 2002),BBC White City (Later with Jools Holland 1998,2010), Abbey Road Studio 3 (Sound & Vision 2010) and Maida Vale (BBC6 Music 2017.)
As much as we look back, it‘ still all about next gig, the next masterful Robert Plant vocal performance – currently in the company of the brilliant Saving Grace featuring Suzi Dian.
As he once astutely put it ‘’It’s still today’s work and tomorrow’s plans that give us all a reason for being – rather than a reason for having been.’’

TBL pre gig meet:

Here’s some pics from yesterday’s meet in the TBL office also known as the Spice Of Life and at the London Palladium before the Robert Plant Saving Grace gig. It was all going on in the pub with the Utd v Liverpool FA Cup semi final on and plenty of St Patrick’s Day revelers.
There was one very big downer. My friends Phil and Ian who I had got tickets for both were unable to get into London as the Euston train line was completely out which was such a disappointment to say the least.
It was great to hook up with Mitch over from Belgium for the gig plus Michaela and Bob, Mick and Berni, Richard Grubb, Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Cullen, my long- time friend Kam (we first saw Robert Plant together back in 1985 at Wembley Arena). It was also great to see Dave Roberts and his wife Cindy over from Canada – such a support to us here over many years. I also bumped into Beatles author David Stark in the Spice of Life.
A superb Robert Plant Saving Grace gig matched with a TBL meet with like-minded people from far and wide – lovely people who share the passion for this fantastic music we all love – it was all a bit life affirming…
With Mitch in The Spice of Life and with Dave Roberts and wife Cindy at the London Palladium

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Robert Plant Presents Saving Grace Featuring Suzi Dian 

New Theatre Peterborough – Saturday March 20…

Tp Peterborough for my 130th occasion of seeing Robert Plant live going back to 1971. I was 15 years old when I first saw him on stage and now some 54 years later going on 68 my enthusiasm and passion for his music remains as fervent as ever.

The reason is simple – he is still a captivating performer with a vocal ability that defies the passing years. He also surrounds himself with musicians who are totally at one with his vision.  That is certainly the case with  Suzi Dian (vocals, accordion, bass), Oli Jefferson (drums, percussion), Matt Worley (guitars, mandolin, banjo, cuatro) and Tony Kelsey (guitars, mandolin) who make up the brilliant Saving Grace unit.

Last night I was very fortunate to be watching the action unfold from a front row seat and being in such close proximity was a thrilling experience.

The setlist was in line with Sunday’s Palladium show with one addition. During the encore of Gallows Pole Robert veered off into a scintillating In My Time of Dying segment. It took my breath away.

So gig 130 was another special one…

Now here’s a thing. The first lines I ever heard him sing live back at the Empire Pool Wembley on the night of November 21 1971 was’ ‘We come from the land of the ice and snow ” the opening to Led Zeppelin’s Immigrant Song.

The last words I heard him speak last night at the end of the show (slightly tongue in cheek) was ”We’re Saving Grace and we come from the land of the ice and snow.”

The words remain the same as does Robert Plant’s brilliance…

Dave Lewis – March 21 2024

 

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Mick Scullian’s thoughts:

Robert Plant/Saving Grace – New Theatre Peterborough 20th March 2024.

I’m so running out of superlatives, Saving Grace are just a stunning musical unit It has been my immense pleasure to see this ensemble develop over a number of years ….

Last night was my 5th show, I have said it previously that I firmly believe this is Roberts best band since Led Zeppelin … The fun he’s having is clear to see, the interplay between those superb musicians & the banter from the stage with the audience is simply a joy to behold ….. He’s bang on form as are they all !

There was not one ounce of ego on that stage either Ms Dian sings like an angel and in my humble opinion is by far Roberts best “singing chum” as he referenced her last night All of this transpires with no product, no merch… all very restrained for want of a better word, yet the supreme talent & musicianship is so evident. This in turn therefore carries it all without intrusion….

By that I mean you can’t hype something that has nothing to sell….Therein lies the glittering gift & sheer purity of all that is Saving Grace ….. Meeting up with Dave & and some great people from TBL crew completed a another memorable evening

Michael Scullion March 21 2024 

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TBL pre gig meet:

Great to meet up with long time TBL supporter and all round top man Mr Michael Scullion who travelled down from Sunderland for the amazing Robert Plant & Saving Grace gig at the New Theatre Peterborough last night…and Roly Thompson and his wife – Roly was with me for the Page & Plant shows in Istanbul back in 1998 and we had a right laugh thinking back to those escapades….

A pic of the TBL crew pre gig meet at the College Arms Wetherspoons pub in Peterborough before the amazing Robert Plant/Saving Grace gig last night…
Great to see Mick Scullion down from Sunderland and Graeme and Pam, Steve Livesley, Ian Coleman and Chris and friends (thanks Chris for ordering the tickets front row oh yes!)
What a night…

Looking ahead…

Ovation Teenage Cancer Trust Concert – Royal Albert Hall Sunday March 24…

A celebration of 24 years of gigs for TCT with:

Roger Daltrey,  Kelly Jones, Robert Plant with Saving Grace, Eddie Vedder, Paul Weller 

I am aiming to be in attendance and the TBL meet destination is the nearby Queans Arms pub -I’ll be in ther from around 5pm Look forward to seeing all that can make it along – here’s the pub details:

The Queens Arms

30 Queens Gate Mews,

Kensington,

SW7 5QL

Directions

From The Albert Hall: Walk past the Albert Hall towards Kensington, turn right into Queens Gate, and take the next right onto Queens Gate Terrace the first right into Queens Gate Mews. The pub is in front of you.

From Gloucester Road Tube Station: Turn left, cross over Cromwell Road then take the 4th turning on the right (Queens Gate Terrace) approximately 150 yards on the left is Queens Gate Mews. The pub is in front of you.

Here’s more info:

http://www.thequeensarmskensington.co.uk/

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STOP PRESS:

John Paul Jones solo performance Knoxville, Tennessee March 22 — part of the Big Ears Music Festival.
Set list details via on the spot from report Michael Tully…
Setlist :
Your Time is Gonna Come on house wurlitzer organ (he came up rising slowly out or orchestra pit ! )
No Quarter on piano
Technical difficulties moment
Down To The River To Pray on Manson triple neck & electric mandolin/bass
Ramble On on electric bass
When The Levee Breaks on folding lap steel
Since I’ve Been Loving You on piano
Piano solo improvisation with loops and computer electronics
Going To California on mandolin
Triple neck mandolin/bass looping solo with No Quarter piano outro.

Many thanks Michael!

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LZ News:

Led Zeppelin News Update:

Here’s the latest round up from LZ News:

As we predicted last week, Gibson unveiled its new replica of Jimmy Page’s Gibson EDS-1275 double neck guitar this week. The replica is limited to 50 copies that have all been signed and played by Page. They’re being sold for $49,999 each.

As part of the announcement, Gibson posted this video of Page discussing the double neck guitar in January which also shows him signing and playing the replicas and visiting Gibson’s factory.

The double neck replicas are the first products to be released as part of Page’s new partnership with Gibson that was announced last month. What else should we expect from their partnership? More affordable, unsigned versions of the double neck replicas are likely, as are future replicas of Page’s “Number One” and “Number Two” 1959 Les Paul guitars.

As part of this week’s announcement, Gibson also released some new photographs of Page. Here’s one of the new shots (we posted all of them here):

immy Page’s website was unavailable on March 10 and March 11, seemingly due to the domain expiring. The website resumed working normally on March 11 and we spotted that the domain was renewed until 2033 this week.

Weeks ago, Page’s website was modified to automatically redirect visitors to his online shop which means that his website including the “On This Day” section, the photos and discography are all now inaccessible.

Robert Plant

Robert Plant is back on tour with Saving Grace

Robert Plant is back on tour with Saving Grace in the UK. They performed together on March 13 in Bristol (where Plant’s former Sensational Space Shifters bandmates Justin Adams and Billy Fuller were in attendance) and on March 14 in Ipswich. The band will perform in London tonight.

Online posts from attendees of the first two shows of the tour show that Plant has introduced a cover of “In My Time Of Dying” to the band’s setlist.

here’s “Gallows Pole” from that March 13 show along with the final song from that show, “And We Bid You Goodnight”.

John Paul Jones

Josh Homme wants to reunite Them Crooked Vultures

Josh Homme wants to reform Them Crooked Vultures, the band he formed with John Paul Jones and Dave Grohl in 2009, he said this week.

However, speaking in response to a question posed during a Reddit AMA, Homme said it was down to Grohl to put the band back together. “Is there a chance? Yeah, there is. Is it a good chance? No,” Homme said.


John Paul Jones will play three shows next week

John Paul Jones has a busy week coming up. He’s going to perform three times at the Big Ears music festival in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Firstly, he’ll perform a rare headline slot on March 22. That promises to be a special performance. Then, on March 23 Jones will perform as part of the due Sons Of Chipotle. And finally, Jones will perform with Thurston Moore on March 24.

Are you heading to Big Ears festival next week? Please send us any photos, videos or descriptions of Jones’ performances!

Upcoming events:

  • March 17 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in London, UK.
  • March 18 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Tunbridge Wells, UK.
  • March 20 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Peterborough, UK.
  • March 21 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Nottingham, UK.
  • March 22 – John Paul Jones will perform at the Big Ears music festival in Knoxville, Tennessee.
  • March 23 – John Paul Jones will perform at the Big Ears music festival in Knoxville, Tennessee as part of Sons Of Chipotle and Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Hastings, UK.
  • March 24 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace at the Teenage Cancer Trust “Ovation” event in London, UK and John Paul Jones will perform with Thurston Moore at the Big Ears music festival in Knoxville, Tennessee.
  • March 26 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Liverpool, UK.
  • March 27 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Sheffield, UK.
  • March 29 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Blackburn, UK.
  • April 2 – “The Beach Boys” by The Beach Boys, including a contribution by Jimmy Page, will be published.
  • April 5 – “Led Zeppelin: A Visual Biography” by Martin Popoff will be published.
  • April 6 – The exhibition “The Wiltshire Thatcher – a Photographic Journey through Victorian Wessex” featuring the original photograph from the cover of Led Zeppelin’s fourth album will open at Wiltshire Museum.
  • April 20 – Jimmy Page is featured on the Yardbirds album Psycho Daisies that will be released on Record Store Day.
  • April 30 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Harrogate, UK.
  • May 1 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Stockton, UK.
  • May 3 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Coventry, UK.
  • May 4 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace at Cheltenham Jazz Festival in Cheltenham, UK.
  • June 2 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
  • June 4 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Camdenton, Missouri.
  • June 5 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Lincoln, Nebraska.
  • June 7 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Prior Lake, Minnesota.
  • June 8 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Madison, Wisconsin.
  • June 11 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Des Moines, Iowa.
  • June 12 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Highland Park, Illinois.
  • June 14 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Toledo, Ohio.
  • June 15 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Burgettstown, Pennsylvania.
  • June 18 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Vienna, Virginia.
  • June 19 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Vienna, Virginia.
  • June 21 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Alpharetta, Georgia.
  • June 22 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Charlotte, North Carolina.
  • June 23 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Raleigh, North Carolina.
  • June 26 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
  • June 28 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Syracuse, New York.
  • June 29 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Wantagh, New York.
  • June 30 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Holmdel, New Jersey.
  • July 2 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Mansfield, Massachusetts.
  • July 6 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Bethel, New York.
  • July 7 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss at the Outlaw Music Festival in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
  • July 23 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Southend, UK.
  • July 24 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Woking, UK.
  • July 25-28 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace at the Cambridge Folk Festival in Cambridge, UK.
  • August 8 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Missoula, Montana.
  • August 9 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Missoula, Montana.
  • August 11 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Edmonton, Alberta.
  • August 13 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Vancouver, British Columbia.
  • August 14 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Vancouver, British Columbia.
  • August 16 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Seattle, Washington State.
  • August 17 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Seattle, Washington State.
  • August 19 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Eugene, Oregon.
  • August 21 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Murphy’s, California.
  • August 22 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Stanford, California.
  • August 24 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Paso Robles, California.
  • August 25 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Highland, California.
  • August 26 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Flagstaff, Arizona.
  • August 28 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
  • August 29 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
  • August 31 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Colorado Springs, Colorado.
  • September 1 – Robert Plant will perform with Alison Krauss in Vail, Colorado.
  • September 15 – The exhibition “The Wiltshire Thatcher – a Photographic Journey through Victorian Wessex” featuring the original photograph from the cover of Led Zeppelin’s fourth album will close at Wiltshire Museum.
  • October 8 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Bari, Italy.
  • October 9 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Naples, Italy.
  • October 11 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Rome, Italy.
  • October 12 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Florence, Italy.
  • October 14 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Bologna, Italy.
  • October 15 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Turin, Italy.
  • October 17 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Como, Italy.
  • October 18 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Bolzano, Italy.
  • October 20 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Padua, Italy.
  • October 21 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Trieste, Italy.
  • October 23 – Robert Plant will perform with Saving Grace in Brescia, Italy.That was our 332nd email. Have any questions or feedback? Reply to this email and we’ll get back to you.Follow Led Zeppelin News on Twitter and Facebook to stay up to date on news as it happens, and check ledzepnews.com for the latest news.
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Jimmy Page Gibson Double Neck Preview Video:
Introducing the Jimmy Page 1969 EDS-1275 Double Neck Collector’s Edition hand-signed by Jimmy himself  – Jimmy talking about the recording of Stairway To Heaven and the live performances using the Gibson Double Neck and the production of the new Gibson Collectors Edition  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2t1E8zUvG8
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TBL ARCHIVE: 

TBL Led Zep 1975 Snapshot: Prelude to Earls Court…

Olympic feb 7

This week of 49 years ago saw Led Zeppelin on a real high – and thankfully these performances in Seattle and Vancouver have been captured on tape across countless bootlegs…

These are amongst my favourite Zep performances and listening to them this week has been an absolute joy. This was the prelude to Earls Court and they were just on firing on all cylinders……

Just to backtrack to a memorable snapshot from the Long Beach gig:

Date: MARCH 12 1975

Venue: CIVIC ARENA LONG BEACH CALIFORNIA

Performance: THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME (false start)/THE SONG REMAINS THE SAME

Bootleg Reference: TRAMPLED UNDER JIMMY’S FOOT (SILVER RARITIES)

Just to illustrate that not all went according to plan every night…. on this cooking performance in Long Beach their sheer enthusiasm got the better of them as they opened The Song Remains The Same….. only to bring it to a close some one minute in.

”Just a minute that’s it ….see you again Long Beach! Yes it happened for the first time in six and a half years…does anybody remember laugher?…. the first time we came here ..er we never seem to  get

things together in Los Angeles.

Ok as I was saying. Nevertheless The Song Remains …..nevertheless, ad infinitum to the power of three re occuring..The Same!’’

They did not get it wrong a second time.

What happened next was simply the business. A speed ride through the opening track of Houses and  as Plant might put it a reoccurring anthem. It sounded great here ,it sounded great in Earls Court and it still sounded great 20 years later when Page and Plant deployed it so effectively on their 95/96 world tour. This is a Zeppelin anthem that gets less acclaim than the Whole Lotta Love, Stairway and Kashmir -but on stage it always burnt and smouldered its way into the set. Pull it out and try it for yourselves on any night…the effect as those Houses ads read is still shattering.

MONDAY MARCH 17 1975

SEATTLE, WASHINGTON

SEATTLE CENTER COLISEUM

Set: Rock And Roll/Sick Again/Over The Hills And Far Away/In My Time Of Dying/The Song Remains The Same/The Rain Song/Kashmir/No Quarter/Trampled Underfoot/Moby Dick/Dazed And Confused (inc. Woodstock)/Stairway To Heaven/Whole Lotta Love – The Crunge – Black Dog.

Background details: A  superb performance with the band totally on top of their game.

Hugh Jones, editor of Proximity, recalls: “The start of the show was extremely aggressive, and it was evident almost immediately that they were ‘on’. Nothing sluggish about this performance. Robert’s voice sounded surprisingly low, but he was singing well, and the whole band sounded very tight’’.

Snapshot Listen: How it sounds now…

Another prime 1975 performance – playful, inspiring and unpredictable. No Quarter with John Bonham pushing Jimmy to the limit, riffs of Fleetwood Mac’s Green Manalishi in a marathion Dazed And Confused (38 minutes and counting!) – Robert zipping in James Brown’s Lickin Stick during Whole Lotta Love.

WEDNESDAY MARCH 19 1975

VANCOUVER, CANADA

PACIFIC COLISEUM

Set: Rock And Roll/Sick Again/Over The Hills And Far Away/In My Time Of Dying/The Song Remains The Same/The Rain Song/Kashmir/No Quarter/Trampled Underfoot/Moby Dick/Dazed And Confused (inc. Woodstock)/Stairway To Heaven/Whole Lotta Love – The Crunge – Black Dog.

Background details; “Ladies and gentlemen… the Canadian return of Led Zeppelin” booms from the speakers as the band take to the stage, firing on all cylinders. “And how is Vancouver. Is it full of beans?” asks Plant. ‘In My Time Of Dying’ is excellent tonight and Plant extends the ending with vocal gymnastics.  ‘Kashmir’ is dedicated to… “Richard Cole, our tour manager – a good upright British citizen! This a song from Physical Vancouver – the new LP.   An extended ‘No Quarter’ is once again one of the highlights. Bonham tonight is introduced as “the king of jazz – one of the finest percussionists in Led Zeppelin today.”

Snapshot Listen: How it sounds now…

I remember Robert being quoted as saying ”By the end of the tour I felt I could sing anything”.

Listening to this utterly sensational performance of Dazed And Confused there is ample proof of that statement.

The San Francisco excerpt had long been a feature of the early part of the piece, but on this tour they began experimenting even further. Plant introducing another hippie anthem to proceedings -the Joni Mitchell pean to Max Yasgur’s farm and a hit for Crosby Stills, Nash & Young. The Zep arrangement was still built loosely on the melody employed for San Francisco-Plant bending the words to fit the structure. Against Page’s eerie minor chord strumming it became one of the most atmospheric parts of their performance. Plant’s repeated ”Back to the garden” refrain merging into the violin bow episode amongst the dry ice. The Vancouver performance was a blueprint for the equally dramatic versions performed at Earls Court run. During this part of the tour Plant also took to singing The Eagles Take It Easy and during the final LA stint he crooned a 50’s like To Be Loving  before moving into Bob Marley’s I Shot The Sheriff. As he put it -he could sing anything…

THURSDAY MARCH 20 1975

VANCOUVER,CANADA

PACIFIC COLISEUM

Set: Rock And Roll/Sick Again/Over The Hills And Far Away/In My Time Of Dying/The Song Remains The Same/The Rain Song/Kashmir/No Quarter/Trampled Underfoot/Moby Dick/Dazed And Confused (inc. Woodstock)/Stairway To Heaven/Whole Lotta Love – Heartbreaker.

Snapshot Listen: How it sounds now…

Another outstanding performance. The pace was set by an aggresive stomp through ‘Rock And Roll’ and never lets up.

No Quarter is now reaching epic proportions, tonight extended to 26 minutes. Whole Lotta Love is highly improvised tonight and includes brief snatches of James Brown’s ‘Lickin’ Stick’, as well as a Plant war cry from ‘Immigrant Song’ and the riff from ‘Ozone Baby’. After a fierce Theremin battle with Plant, Page then leads straight into ‘Heartbreaker’. ‘Black Dog’ is not performed tonight.

FRIDAY MARCH 21 1975

SEATTLE, WASHINGTON

SEATTLE CENTER COLISEUM

Set: Rock and Roll/Sick Again/Over The Hills And Far Away/In My Time Of Dying/The Song Remains The Same/The Rain Song/Kashmir/No Quarter/Since I’ve Been Loving You/Trampled Underfoot/Moby Dick/Dazed And Confused (inc. For What It’s Worth – Woodstock)/Stairway To Heaven/Whole Lotta Love – The Crunge-Black Dog/Communication Breakdown – Heartbreaker.

Background details: It was back to Seattle for another steller show with much improvisation. ‘No Quarter’ is a highlight with Jones and Bonham randomly incorporating a jazzy rhythm during the solo improvisation. ‘Trampled Underfoot’ now includes some lyrics from ‘Gallows Pole’. ‘Dazed And Confused’ includes snatches of Buffalo Springfield’s ‘For What It’s Worth’ as well as ‘Woodstock’, and the longest encore section of the tour is performed tonight.

Hugh Jones of Proximity recalls: “Following ‘No Quarter’, Robert called for a change in the programme, causing a little confusion on stage. ‘There’s one song that we’ve done twice in, in… I suppose since we got ripped off for all that bread in New York, ages ago. And because we really dig playing here, and for no other reason, we’re gonna do it again now. I don’t think anybody else in the band knows about it yet, it’s a little bit of change in the… sorry about that, John! You see, right on the spot! It could be ‘Louie Louie’ but instead it’s a thing from the third album… ‘Since I’ve Been Loving You’.

“Following a brutal ‘Trampled Underfoot’ and Bonzo’s marathon ‘Moby Dick’, more confusion appears to be occurring onstage. Robert shouts for an ovation for Bonzo, then asks in a casual tone, ‘Is everybody, uh, enjoying themselves?’ Jimmy is talking urgently with a group of people just off stage, and at one point seems to lift his guitar in the air as if to throw it down, obviously perturbed about something. Unfazed and still in his conversational tone, Robert observes ‘Mr Page is having a fit’. Apparently, we found out later, a local fan made Jimmy a gift of a beautiful Les Paul guitar, which turned out to be stolen from a high school music teacher. During the evening the instrument was confiscated at Sea-Tac airport as it was being shipped back to the UK (or so the story goes), and for some reason Page was interrupted during the show to be informed of this.”

Snapshot listen: How it sounds now…

This Seattle show is simply one of the best gigs of their latter era.

If proof was needed then the opening segment brings it all alive – as it epitomises what a potent three pronged entrance these songs really were. Rock And Roll segueing into the new sheer brutality of Sick Again with Plant teasing ”Do I look the same”, and then the opening speech followed by the ”Beginning of a dream and it starts here (R.Plant -Earls Court May*17) or on this occasion .”What we intend to do is to relive our pent uppedness on stage, and then to relieve it later on after the gig elsewhere. Now the thing is what we intend to do is to give you a cross section of what we’ve been trying to produce and write over the last six and a half years.

As you know the material varies greatly and so you will appreciate that we take it from one extreme to the other….and what better way to start than to gaze out onto the horizon and see what tomorrow may bring”

To quote Hugh Jones ”in those last few sentences Robert Plant may well have encapsulated Led Zeppelin as well as anyone ever has. The physical, the musical, the pretension and the arrogance-all backed up with music as varied and as good as his word for the next four hours”.

So the the regal intro of  Over The Hills And Far Away -the Page solo as always flickering and twisting into previously un investigated territory. Then a swirling finale with Plant crying out ”Samantha Samantha” perhaps a reference to the fun they were about to enjoy offstage as he put it And on this night in Seattle it all just burst forth with that knowing arrogance .

There is also a truly remarkable sequence to be heard during the middle section of ‘Whole Lotta Love’ on the night of March 20, 1975, at a show in Vancouver.

In the space of three minutes just before Jimmy Page’s Theremin solo, Robert Plant initially leads them through a spontaneous version of James Brown’s ‘Licking Stick’, which incorporates their own funk rhythm from the ‘The Crunge’. He follows that with a random war cry from  ‘Immigrant Song’. And then with equal spontaneity the Jones, Bonham & Page rhythm section interlock for a riff sequence that would be recalled some three years later for the track ‘Ozone Baby’ which eventually saw the light of day on the Coda album.

It was this air of unpredictability within their performances, which made Led Zeppelin such an engrossing live act throughout their career.

To use that old Zep’75 maxim it all underlined the fact that it wasn’t just a case of them being the number one band on the planet…the real point in question was just how far whoever was at number two lagged behind.

Dave Lewis , march 17,2021 

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The final few dates of the 1975 US tour..

MONDAY MARCH 24 1975

INGLEWOOD LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA

THE FORUM

Set: Rock And Roll/Sick Again/Over The Hills And Far Away/In My Time Of Dying/The Song Remains The Same/The Rain Song/Kashmir/No Quarter/Trampled Underfoot/Moby Dick/Dazed And Confused (inc. Woodstock)/Stairway To Heaven/Whole Lotta Love – The Crunge – Black Dog)/Heartbreaker.

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“Good Evening! My name is J. J. Jackson of KWLOS. We’re all here to welcome back to the LA area… Led Zeppelin!” A mass of firecrackers heralds the band’s arrival on stage.

The Forum has long been one of Zeppelin’s favourite venues and once again they revelled in the surroundings. Plant: “This is the place, this is the one. These are the last three gigs on our American tour and so we intend them to be something of a high point for us. Obviously, we don’t achieve that without a little bit of a vibe, that I can already feel, and a few smiles.”

After ‘Over The Hills’, Robert states: “A gram is a gram is a gram!” Ambiguous and humorous remarks are rife tonight. Plant continues: “Since we saw you last time there have been a few developments in the camp and a few camps in the development – Bonzo decided not to have the sex change after all!” ‘The Song Remains The Same’ is about “places where the red light still shines for two rupees, places where there’s a magical feeling in the air… rather like Paul Rodgers’ bedroom when he takes his shoes off”

Plant describes the Mellotron as “A rather cheap, nasty, improvised version of an orchestra, but unfortunately with the tax and overheads, we can’t afford to take an orchestra with us anymore.”

Plant introduces Billy Miller – “Elvis Presley’s right hand man” – and sings a few lines from ‘Love Me’. After ‘Moby Dick’, Plant comments: “What a wonderful drum solo and a wonderful head job in the dressing room… thank you Ahmet Ertegun!”

‘Dazed And Confused’ is described as “The first thing we had a go at, apart from the secretary” but is rather uninspired in places tonight. ‘Stairway To Heaven’ is dedicated to “All our English friends that have arrived at the Continental Riot House. This is for the foundations of the Continental Riot House and for you people who have made this a good gig.” The whole band performed impeccably on ‘Stairway’ turning in one of the most impressive single performances of the tour.

Plant: “Children of the sun. Good night!”

As far as the press are concerned, the new additions to the set are now beginning to steal the show. Disc reports: “All the newer material was well received, although it seems that ‘Kashmir’ is set to become the star track and another classic. It was also while the group performed this number that I think the lights and effects were used to their best advantage.”

TUESDAY MARCH 25 1975

INGLEWOOD LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA

THE FORUM

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Set: Rock And Roll/Sick Again/Over The Hills And Far Away/In My Time Of Dying/The Song Remains The Same/The Rain Song/Kashmir/No Quarter/Trampled Underfoot/Moby Dick/Dazed And Confused (inc. Spanish Harlem – Woodstock)/Stairway To Heaven/Whole Lotta Love – Lickin’ Stick –  The Crunge – Black Dog.

Yet another excellent performance – even better than the previous night.

Plant: “Last night we had a really good time. We had a great concert. It was one of the finest we’ve had in California for a long time!”

‘Kashmir’ is outstanding tonight and Plant describes it as being about ‘the wasted, wasted lands… and it’s not the lobby of the Continental Hyatt either!” ‘No Quarter’ is extended to truly epic proportions, lasting nearly 27 minutes with Jones and Bonham again favouring the jazz improvisation they adopted in Seattle four days ago.

‘Trampled Underfoot’ is dedicated to… “All the good ladies of America who’ve helped us get rid of the blues from time to time on the road… that boils down to about two!” Page’s solo is masterful and commanding. Plant ad-libs “drive on – feels pretty good” and again extends the number with lyrics from ‘Gallows Pole’, even throwing in a few cries of ‘Hangman’.

Bonham is introduced tonight as… “The man who broke every window in room 1019… the man who smashed wardrobes… the man who set fire to his own bed… the amazing man with only two cavities… Mr. Quaalude!”

‘Dazed And Confused’ was another stand out extended to 39 minutes. Page inserts a gentle Spanish sounding passage which leads into Ben E King’s ‘Spanish Harlem’ before running into ‘Woodstock’. ‘Stairway To Heaven’ shines once more. Page’s playing is sharp and decisive as the tension builds with each note. John Paul Jones is superlative.

‘Whole Lotta Love’ once again includes a snatch of James Brown’s ‘Lickin’ Stick’ and Plant ad-libs “Like a sex machine!” Page even includes a few riffs from the never performed ‘Nightflight’ prior to the Theremin section.

Plant: “People of the Forum. We’ve had a good time… It is the summer of our smiles…”

Indeed it was…

THURSDAY MARCH 27 1975

INGLEWOOD LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA

THE FORUM

Set: Rock And Roll/Sick Again/Over The Hills And Far Away/In My Time Of Dying/The Song Remains The Same/The Rain Song/Kashmir/Since I’ve Been Loving You/No Quarter/Trampled Underfoot/Moby Dick/Dazed And Confused (inc. Loving You) /Stairway To Heaven/Whole Lotta Love – The Crunge – Black Dog.

Deep Throat porn star, Linda Lovelace introduces the band for the final show of the US tour. Plant returns the compliment: “I’d like to thank Linda Lovelace for coming on and making an appropriate speech about our presence, and we’d like to apologise for being late, but one of the cars didn’t crash!”

Bonham and Page are outstanding during ‘Over The Hills And Far Away’, and although the band seem a little tired in places, overall the concert is a triumph. Plant comments that he’s glad the final show is in LA, because last time the tour ended in New York which is… “not the most pleasant place to be. There’s some nice ladies on 83rd Street. But the rest of it… no!”

During ‘In My Time Of Dying’, Plant ad-libs “please Lord, don’t leave me dazed and confused!” and then adds some of ‘You Shook Me’ before the number falls apart. He speculates that they may end up in the Fall doing a gig in the Sahara desert, due to their love of the East, and ‘Kashmir’ once again is spectacular.

‘Since I’ve Been Loving You’ is a late addition to the set and is warmly appreciate by the crowd.  ‘Trampled Underfoot’ is now referred to as ‘Trampled Under Gallows’ due to Plant’s persistent injection of lyrics from ‘Gallows Pole’. ‘Dazed And Confused’ is one of the longest of the tour tonight, with a very spacey middle section as Plant repeatedly ad-libs ‘Loving You’.

This show clocked in at  nearly three and a half hours long and completed a  run of some  of the finest in the history of the band.

“Led Zeppelin At Its Peak In L.A. Forum” reports Billboard. Bob Kirsch writes: “‘Zeppelin has two major strong points. It has mastered the technique of combining musical excellence with mind-boggling volume. And it is able to operate either as a unit or each can move into a subordinate role for whoever happens to be soloing at the time.

“Zeppelin has long been the target of critical barbs for crashing volume and the seeming sameness of its material. Yet in an age when headline acts are often boring, sloppy and create no excitement at all, this British quartet stands out as a masterful example of what rock and roll was meant to be.”

Snapshot Listen – how it sounds now:

The final riot night of the US tour was a mass celebratory affair with the band fully aware that with this tour they had turned adversity into triumph. From the moment Linda Lovelace cutely introduced them onstage to Plant’s ”We’re coming back baby” this was a true prelude to what the UK was about to be served.

They even gave a hint of Earls Court fashion by introducing his Miss Selfridge cut off shirt and Page wearing the Dragon suit trousers that would become such a visual imprint of May 1975.

Their confidence was subsequently overflowing as they attacked In My Time Of Dying, Plant throwing in a few lines of You Shook Me.

”Anybody remember?” he asks at the end as he would a month later in SW5.

The version of Since I’ve Been Loving You was a real bonus and something sadly that Earls Court did not receive.

”A change in the programme- we were gonna do…..but this is a blues and I think this is where we first came in”. An impromptu set revision that delighted the LA audience.

A rare latter day stand alone delivery (in ’72/3 it had been segued with Misty Mountain)) recalling the majesty of Blueberry Hill at this very venue five years back. Rarely played in ’75 they ached their way through the old Led Zepp III standard -Page’s solo as precise and inventive as that night back in September ’70.

On the home straight it was nothing less than a victory stomp. Stairway played as was the case as Earls Court as though Plant believed every word, and the final incendiary Whole Lotta Love/Black Dog medley with the added visual spectacle of that neon lit sign. Images and sounds that London would soon delight in.

Acknowledging their enthusiasm,  Plant told the final LA audience ”It’s really nice to know that we’re giving you what you are giving us because after tonight I think we’ve got three gigs in England. I don’t believe well work again for quite a long time, so this has got to be good”.

That last night in  LA  was indeed good…very good ….and Earls Court awaited…

Dave Lewis – March 19 2024

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TBL ARCHIVE – IT WAS 54 YEARS AGO…

MEANWHILE BACK IN 1970…

Now here’s a story….Goldrush and Stamford Bridge – and a young Led Zep fan in the crowd – 53 years gone:

54 years ago on March 21,1970 , Led Zeppelin flew out for the first date of their fifth US tour.

I was well aware of all this because I’d purchased a copy of Record Mirror the previous day when it came out. Under the front page headline of ‘Goldrush’ and a wonderful colour photo of Led Zeppelin from the previous December’s awards bash, it revealed the bands current plans. Interestingly enough it reported that a film crew would be on hand to capture the tour.

The story read as follow:

‘’Off to America on Saturday go Led Zeppelin. And with the group will be a film production unit which is making a film of the month long tour. The team has been trailing the group since their appearance at the Albert Hall in January. So far in the can are shots of their European tour, Jimmy Page in the studio, and Robert Plant at home on his farm. Not to mention the presentation of gold discs for million mark sales of their albums. The film, which has already been sold in America , is to tie in with the release of their next LP at the end of the year. Which could easily sell another million. And which is why some people are nicknaming it ‘’Goldrush’’. 

Film of their European tour? Jimmy in the studio?, Robert on the farm?

A film crew with them in America? There’s no evidence to suggest much of that occurred…but if  it did where’s the footage now…?

I digress: On that Saturday March 21st 1970, at the same time Zep were about to wow the audience at the Pacific Coliseum in Vancouver, I was in a capacity crowd of 61,479 (their highest of that season ) at Stamford Bridge watching Chelsea triumph 2-1 over Manchester United.

It would have been nice of course to be down White Heart Lane where Martin Peters was making his debut for Spurs against Coventry (he scored in a 2-1 defeat). Peters had transferred to Spurs as part of a swap deal that took Jimmy Greaves to West Ham (who also scored two on his debut for West Ham that day at Manchester City–I’ve just watched it on you tube!). As it was, my very good friend Dave Corp in Dents Road was where I lived was (and still is as we are still in touch) a big Chelsea fan and I was more than happy to tag along with his elder family friend to see some prime Division One action. It was incredibly exciting to see the 70s superstars of the day in action – Alan Hudson, Peter Osgood, Ian Hutchinson, George Best, Bobby Charlton,  Alex Stepney,  Denis Law,Willie Morgan etc.,

It was one of those occasions from an impressionable age that remains ingrained on my brain – not dissimilar to the way Zep memories of Empire Pool and Earls Court etc are lodged in there forever.

I can remember so much about that day in detail: the records played over the PA before the teams came on which included hits of the time Brotherhood Of Man’s United We Stand and Steam’s Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye, the atmosphere in the Chelsea paddock where we stood (a fantastic view right in the front side on to the goal) as Ian Hutchinson scored twice in the first half, the pie we had in a café after the game and the hitch hiker we picked up on the A1 going home. 50 years have done nothing to dull the memories of an awesome day for this then 13 year old.

I’ve just searched YouTube and amazingly the match is on the Chelsea TV channel – the original ITV Big Match coverage with the late great Brian Moore commenting and lo and behold imagine my delight and surprise when as the camera pans in for a Chelsea throw – I am in view second on the left with my arm across the barrier as Ian Hutchinson takes one of his then famous long throws. This is in the exact spot where we were – the pic here is a bit blurry off YouTube but that’s me – a young Led Zep fan viewing the action.

Little did I realize that aside from the match programme, three years later I’d have another remnant of that day. This was in the form of the bootleg LP Mudslide that captured highlights of Zep’s Vancouver show of March 21st. In fact whenever I hear the opening drum roll from Bonzo,Jimmy’s guitar warm up  and Robert’s ‘’Everybody feel alright!’’ intro, I always think back to that spring Saturday in March 1970 when I was in amongst the then soccer elite in Stamford Bridge.

I of course kept the copy of Record Mirror from that week, and have the trade mark of quality vinyl bootleg of Mudslide. I also have the Chelsea v Man Utd programme.

Looking at those remnants I can almost smell the atmosphere of that day back in 1970. I can honestly say that Saturday March 21, 1970 was one of the pivotal days of my life. A day where my eyes were truly opened to the adult world’

It will all be in the DL memoirs

Precious memories indeed…and now I can now add the YouTube clip to that list of memories – filmed proof that I was indeed right there…the crowd clip with me with my arm on the barrier is at 4mins.44 as Ian Hutchinson takes one of his long throws…

I’ve just spoken to Dave  and shared again those memories of 54 years ago today…one day we would both like to go back to Stamford Bridge and watch another match…..

Here’s the YouTube clip link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEx3B7Zvj34&fbclid=IwAR06sm-Hd1R6FeIOD0K1ANAO521HG_JwZLpKg61cXG_Tzo5jXg7V6GMagUY

Dave Lewis – March 19 2024 

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Led Zeppelin – The Coda Tapes:

Forthcoming new Led Zeppelin bootleg LP set – Coda alternate mixes and more outtakes – not sure of the sources – could be interesting …

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DL Diary Blog Update:

Saturday March 16:

Saturday is platterday – with the prospect of a Sunday night at the London Palladium date with the singer tomorrow – on the player getting in the mood with the brilliant Robert Plant 1993 album Fate Of Nations, one of his best…I quite like him …

Tuesday March 19:

The new issue of Record Collector is in the house – lots of great stuff to investigate…

Tuesday March 19:

Latest DL charity acquisitions..

A couple of very nice Brian Ferry compilations – £1.29 apiece –I’ll take ‘em!

Thursday March 22:

Just back from a fabulous afternoon in the TBL office also known as The Spice of Life in London and great to see Billy and Alison Fletcher down from Scotland and Rudi O’Keefe. The talk was records, gigs, Robert Plant, Led Zeppelin, the fortunes of Glasgow Rangers and Tottenham Hotspur and more –great chat with great company…

Update here:

A very busy week -with the London Palladium gig last Sunday, Peterborough Wednesday and a trip back in to London yesterday – and ahead the Royal Albert Hall Teenage Cancer Trust gig.

It’s been something of a whirlwind but very exhilarating with Robert Plant and Saving Grace on such magnificent form – plus the opportunity to share it all with so many great people… that platform of communication I established way back in 1978 with the first TBL mag continues to light up my life and I’m feeling very blessed that it does…

Thanks for listening

Until next time…

Dave  Lewis –  March 22  2024 

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  • deanbriss2@yahoo.com said:

    It would be nice to purchase one of those double neck Gibson’s in left hand. Left handed players are always left out of the loop.

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